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]]> Comment on The Rock (music) upon which the Church is Built: Celebrating the U2charist (cont.) by rihannsu http://ericroorback.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/the-rock-music-upon-which-the-church-is-built-celebrating-the-u2charist-cont/#comment-96 rihannsu Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:22:58 +0000 http://ericroorback.wordpress.com/?p=23#comment-96 No affiliation, just a fan who is a member on the official U2 website which is where you get the u2.com email. I've always been aware of U2 and liked their music and the Live Aid performance was very significant for me but in 2005 I saw the band on Conan O'Brien where they had the whole hour devoted to U2 and the four guys really impressed me as people. That's when I started to read up on them and I've since read just about every book out there about them along with lots of online stuff. The more I read the more respect I have for these guys. No affiliation, just a fan who is a member on the official U2 website which is where you get the u2.com email. I’ve always been aware of U2 and liked their music and the Live Aid performance was very significant for me but in 2005 I saw the band on Conan O’Brien where they had the whole hour devoted to U2 and the four guys really impressed me as people. That’s when I started to read up on them and I’ve since read just about every book out there about them along with lots of online stuff. The more I read the more respect I have for these guys.

]]> Comment on The Rock (music) upon which the Church is Built: Celebrating the U2charist (cont.) by ericroorback http://ericroorback.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/the-rock-music-upon-which-the-church-is-built-celebrating-the-u2charist-cont/#comment-95 ericroorback Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:04:36 +0000 http://ericroorback.wordpress.com/?p=23#comment-95 Fair enough. I will look into the resources you recommended and get back to you. I noticed your email address (U2.com), just out of curiosity what is your affiliation with Bono and/or U2? Fair enough. I will look into the resources you recommended and get back to you. I noticed your email address (U2.com), just out of curiosity what is your affiliation with Bono and/or U2?

]]> Comment on The Rock (music) upon which the Church is Built: Celebrating the U2charist (cont.) by rihannsu http://ericroorback.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/the-rock-music-upon-which-the-church-is-built-celebrating-the-u2charist-cont/#comment-94 rihannsu Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:30:41 +0000 http://ericroorback.wordpress.com/?p=23#comment-94 I posted a link in the comments on your first post to give you more info on the U2charists but let me just add that Bono is much more than just vaguely christian and their songs are much more than just vaguely christian. A couple of books that would clarify this for you are: Walk On: The Spiritual Journey of U2 By Steve Stockman Get Up Off Your Knees: Preaching the U2 catalogue edited by Beth Maynard and Raelynn Whitney (blog at u2sermons.blogspot.com) One Step Closer: Why U2 Matters to Those Seeking God by Christopher Scharen and Bono himself in Bono In Conversation by Michka Assayas Even if Bono was to be convinced by someone to formally join a particular church it would be impossible due to his fame. His children go to church regularly but they are pretty quiet about where and Bono does go to various churches but always as quietly as possible. He's said he can't become a member of any church in Ireland because it would instantly be the biggest church in the country for all the wrong reasons. That doesn't mean that he is without christian fellowship. They have a very large extended community of friends and the priest who married Bono and Ali goes on tour with the band to serve as a chaplain for everyone, crew included. Bono also has always sought ought christian leaders all over the world. I would say he is probably more spiritually studied than 75% of American christians. You can also find on Youtube the interview that he did with Bill Hybels for the leadership summit in 2006. Bono is definitely not your average rock star. I posted a link in the comments on your first post to give you more info on the U2charists but let me just add that Bono is much more than just vaguely christian and their songs are much more than just vaguely christian. A couple of books that would clarify this for you are:

Walk On: The Spiritual Journey of U2 By Steve Stockman
Get Up Off Your Knees: Preaching the U2 catalogue edited by Beth Maynard and Raelynn Whitney (blog at u2sermons.blogspot.com)
One Step Closer: Why U2 Matters to Those Seeking God by Christopher Scharen
and Bono himself in Bono In Conversation by Michka Assayas

Even if Bono was to be convinced by someone to formally join a particular church it would be impossible due to his fame. His children go to church regularly but they are pretty quiet about where and Bono does go to various churches but always as quietly as possible. He’s said he can’t become a member of any church in Ireland because it would instantly be the biggest church in the country for all the wrong reasons. That doesn’t mean that he is without christian fellowship. They have a very large extended community of friends and the priest who married Bono and Ali goes on tour with the band to serve as a chaplain for everyone, crew included. Bono also has always sought ought christian leaders all over the world. I would say he is probably more spiritually studied than 75% of American christians. You can also find on Youtube the interview that he did with Bill Hybels for the leadership summit in 2006. Bono is definitely not your average rock star.

]]> Comment on The Rock (music) upon which the Church is built: Celebrating the U2charist by rihannsu http://ericroorback.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/the-rock-upon-which-the-church-is-built-celebrating-the-u2charist/#comment-93 rihannsu Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:16:02 +0000 http://ericroorback.wordpress.com/?p=21#comment-93 The U2Charist services are supposed to be specifically for promoting the support of accomplishing the Millenium Developement Goals and U2 gives permission for the music to be used without charge as long as the collections from the service go to organizations that support the MDG's. Here is a link to a resource site by the person who started this. If you have questions that are not answered on her site you should email her or commment somewhere that she can respond. This was never intended as just general use of U2 music in church partly because if you do use the music without following these guidelines you would have to pay the usual licensing fees. Anyway here's the link: http://www.sarahlaughed.net/u2charist/ The U2Charist services are supposed to be specifically for promoting the support of accomplishing the Millenium Developement Goals and U2 gives permission for the music to be used without charge as long as the collections from the service go to organizations that support the MDG’s. Here is a link to a resource site by the person who started this. If you have questions that are not answered on her site you should email her or commment somewhere that she can respond. This was never intended as just general use of U2 music in church partly because if you do use the music without following these guidelines you would have to pay the usual licensing fees. Anyway here’s the link: http://www.sarahlaughed.net/u2charist/

]]> Comment on The Rock (music) upon which the Church is built: Celebrating the U2charist by ericroorback http://ericroorback.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/the-rock-upon-which-the-church-is-built-celebrating-the-u2charist/#comment-92 ericroorback Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:03:51 +0000 http://ericroorback.wordpress.com/?p=21#comment-92 Good point, Nathan. I don't think that music is necessarily a bad thing as an accompaniment to the eucharist celebration, nor necessarily an inherent good. I would agree with your comment that "music in the eucharist may be a case where there is no right answer, but there are wrong ones." With the case of U2, I think I would have to know a bit more about the U2charist to say that it is the "wrong" music, but thus far I do find it a bit troublesome. Good point, Nathan. I don’t think that music is necessarily a bad thing as an accompaniment to the eucharist celebration, nor necessarily an inherent good. I would agree with your comment that “music in the eucharist may be a case where there is no right answer, but there are wrong ones.”

With the case of U2, I think I would have to know a bit more about the U2charist to say that it is the “wrong” music, but thus far I do find it a bit troublesome.

]]> Comment on The Rock (music) upon which the Church is built: Celebrating the U2charist by Nathan Smith http://ericroorback.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/the-rock-upon-which-the-church-is-built-celebrating-the-u2charist/#comment-91 Nathan Smith Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:54:47 +0000 http://ericroorback.wordpress.com/?p=21#comment-91 OK, I see what you mean now. And yes, I agree there is such thing as too much Bono -> http://www.bonofatigue.com/ =P I was invited by a friend to a U2charist which was in Salem or Eugene probably 6 months back, but I missed it due to schedule conflicts. I might attend one, but I think using rock music in worship is generally not helpful, especially given the dangers of the personality cult of the rock star. I think music in the eucharist may be a case where there is no right answer, but there are wrong ones. OK, I see what you mean now. And yes, I agree there is such thing as too much Bono -> http://www.bonofatigue.com/ =P

I was invited by a friend to a U2charist which was in Salem or Eugene probably 6 months back, but I missed it due to schedule conflicts. I might attend one, but I think using rock music in worship is generally not helpful, especially given the dangers of the personality cult of the rock star. I think music in the eucharist may be a case where there is no right answer, but there are wrong ones.

]]> Comment on The Rock (music) upon which the Church is built: Celebrating the U2charist by ericroorback http://ericroorback.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/the-rock-upon-which-the-church-is-built-celebrating-the-u2charist/#comment-90 ericroorback Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:36:26 +0000 http://ericroorback.wordpress.com/?p=21#comment-90 Nathan, That's a great question, and one that I actually really appreciate. I'm more than happy to take a stab at your question but i would love to open this up to others as well. So, here is my response: I'm not sure what specific music should be associated with the eucharist. My specific difficulty is not so much with the U2 music, so far as it speaks to the significance of the eucharist. My specific problem is with the discussions I have heard surrounding the U2charist. Much of what I have heard concerning the U2charist seems to be centered around Bono's association with issues of Aids and poverty. Don't get me wrong, I think his concern and the work he has done is commendable. My difficulty is that the celebration of the eucharist is a different matter than concern for issues of social justice. Not that there aren't overlaps, but they nonetheless are different matters. I have to run for now but let's keep the blogalogue going. Nathan,

That’s a great question, and one that I actually really appreciate. I’m more than happy to take a stab at your question but i would love to open this up to others as well.

So, here is my response: I’m not sure what specific music should be associated with the eucharist. My specific difficulty is not so much with the U2 music, so far as it speaks to the significance of the eucharist. My specific problem is with the discussions I have heard surrounding the U2charist. Much of what I have heard concerning the U2charist seems to be centered around Bono’s association with issues of Aids and poverty. Don’t get me wrong, I think his concern and the work he has done is commendable. My difficulty is that the celebration of the eucharist is a different matter than concern for issues of social justice. Not that there aren’t overlaps, but they nonetheless are different matters. I have to run for now but let’s keep the blogalogue going.

]]> Comment on The Rock (music) upon which the Church is built: Celebrating the U2charist by ericroorback http://ericroorback.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/the-rock-upon-which-the-church-is-built-celebrating-the-u2charist/#comment-89 ericroorback Sun, 15 Jun 2008 00:50:36 +0000 http://ericroorback.wordpress.com/?p=21#comment-89 Sue, I appreciate your comment and engagement on this topic. Your suggestion is noted, and I would be more than happy to attend a U2charist and base my opinion upon that. Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any going on in the Portland area. It's true that one shouldn't normally base something on hearsay, but should do whatever possible to enter into to the idea(s) before submitting a criticism. However, I don't have the opportunity, as far as I am aware, to attend one of these services. Because of this, I left only to go off of what I can find on YouTube that supporters have put up. I'm not intending to be completely dismissive of the U2charist. However, I do have reservations about the whole enterprise from what I have seen via the videos and testimonies that have been posted on You Tube. I am all for further dialogue with you, and please feel free to respond. Sue,

I appreciate your comment and engagement on this topic. Your suggestion is noted, and I would be more than happy to attend a U2charist and base my opinion upon that. Unfortunately, I’m not aware of any going on in the Portland area. It’s true that one shouldn’t normally base something on hearsay, but should do whatever possible to enter into to the idea(s) before submitting a criticism. However, I don’t have the opportunity, as far as I am aware, to attend one of these services. Because of this, I left only to go off of what I can find on YouTube that supporters have put up.

I’m not intending to be completely dismissive of the U2charist. However, I do have reservations about the whole enterprise from what I have seen via the videos and testimonies that have been posted on You Tube.

I am all for further dialogue with you, and please feel free to respond.

]]> Comment on The Rock (music) upon which the Church is built: Celebrating the U2charist by Nathan Smith http://ericroorback.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/the-rock-upon-which-the-church-is-built-celebrating-the-u2charist/#comment-88 Nathan Smith Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:38:01 +0000 http://ericroorback.wordpress.com/?p=21#comment-88 Perhaps we should turn the matter on its head and ask just what (if any) sort of music should be used in the celebration of the eucharist? Perhaps we should turn the matter on its head and ask just what (if any) sort of music should be used in the celebration of the eucharist?

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